51. Hamish Mabon-Ross's 10 Tiny Joys

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This week we're doing another edition of Teen Tiny Joys and we have regular contributor

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to the show and my very good friend Hamish Mabin Ross.

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If you've listened to the show before, you'll probably recognise Hamish's name.

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He is a stand-up comedian and a little bit of a hiatus at the moment while he is going

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on his training arc to become a New Zealand Sign Language interpreter.

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I'm recording this podcast a little bit later than usual because I had one on Monday that

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we were going to do, but that sort of fell through post-posed to next week, hopefully.

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And Hamish was very willing to step in and be my guest for this week.

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So thank you Hamish for your flexibility and just in general your help.

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That's about all the preamble I need to do.

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Thank you very much for listening once again.

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And I'll one more thing before we get started.

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If you'd like this format of the Teen Tiny Joys and you feel like you want to see it live

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in an in person, you actually have the opportunity to, on the 13th of February 2024, at Little

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Endromeda, we are doing a live edition of Roddle Me This with my two guests, Matt Lilly and

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Georgia West K Hill, two comics who have their own podcast.

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And we're going to do a Teen Tiny Joys where we go through each of their lists individually.

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If that sounds like a bit of you, you can visit Little Endromeda.co.nz to get your tickets.

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It's actually on the front page, which is very much a highlight for me.

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want to buy tickets in advance and hope to see you there.

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But for right now, welcome to the show, your friend and mine, Hamish Maiden Ross.

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Welcome to Teen Tiny Joys.

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I'm your host, Taylor Roddle.

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And this is the show where we celebrate the mundane moments in life that brighten up your day.

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There's a lot of hardships in the world, so in Teen Tiny Joys, we take the time to cherish

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those little moments that make life worth living.

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So sit back, relax, and let's begin Teen Tiny Joys.

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Okay, Hamish, welcome back to the podcast.

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Delightful to have you with me.

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Thank you for having me, lovely to be back.

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Always a pleasure.

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We are going to try out the new format, the Teen Tiny Joys format, and the two minutes in,

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and I'm already stuttering, so that boads very well for the podcast.

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I've found something interesting about preparing for this podcast, as people are very self-conscious

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about whether their Teen Joys are tiny enough for the format.

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What was it like for you to put together your list?

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Did you find it a struggle or not really?

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It was a little bit of a struggle, yeah.

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I had a couple in mind that I was like, yep, that's a given, that's an easy one.

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That feels sufficiently small in that it's not necessarily an everyday thing, but then

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there were other things that I was like, this seems so, I guess, generic or general, that

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it seemed too big, but I was like, I think it works, and I was overthinking it a little

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bit, so I was like, no, I think it should be okay.

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And I can probably, if I explain it, it'll make a bit more sense.

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Well that's a thing, it's more about where the conversation goes, and I think what's really

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interesting to me about this project is that we're going to start to notice all the common

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things that we all do and love, but we don't really notice it until someone sees it.

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So it's been, I think I've got sort of like four lists from people, and we're definitely

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starting to see some of the common things that are popping up.

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So let's, I suppose that just get straight into your list.

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Your first one on the list is Burger King with your best friend.

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We've had this conversation about our favourite fast food off the record as it were, and what

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is it about Burger King that makes it take the cake over the other sort of chains?

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I guess out of the big three, so like KFC Burger King and McDonald's, for me, I don't

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know what it is about KFC specifically.

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I've found it a couple of times when I've had it.

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I end up with this really weird etch-y esophagus.

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It's probably not great.

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It's maybe a sort of analogy thing or something, but yeah, I always feel a bit weird after

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eating it, so I tend to devour it.

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Right, right.

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Plus it tends to be quite expensive compared to the other two.

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And then for me, McDonald's tends to have, there's a very particular aftertaste of McDonald's.

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Like, you can taste, you can taste macas for a couple hours, sometimes the next day, depending

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on when you had it, that it's like, yeah, I'd prefer to avoid that.

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I think the common thing that people like from Burger King is that flame grilled flavour,

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which I have to agree is quite nice.

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And it's one thing that I find very interesting is how, so we're both alive in the 90s,

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and I feel like back then, Burger King was trying to compete with McDonald's a little bit.

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They were trying to be the, but like, a bit where the family restaurant, it seemed like

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a lot of their products were just very similar to what you could get in McDonald's.

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But what I really have to respect about them now is that they've really leaned into the

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like, seven patties.

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We're going to put onion rings in your burger and slather it in mayonnaise.

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And I feel like they genuinely do have a very different product to McDonald's.

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What is your go-to order from Burger King?

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I mean, depending, so for the context of going with my best friend, we don't see each other

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all the time.

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We've known each other since we were 10 or 11.

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So I'm 34, 35 this year.

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So we've been best friends for a very long time.

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So we don't always see each other.

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He's a busy man.

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He now has a young baby.

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He works as an arborist.

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He's a white.

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I now live in Auckland.

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He's in Dunedin.

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So when we do get turns to catch up, Burger King's just our go-to will go and get some

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food and go somewhere.

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But typically my go-to order would be just the classic barbecue bacon double cheeseburger.

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It's pretty good.

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It's filling enough.

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If I'm feeling adventurous, you can add an extra patty and extra piece of cheese and some extra

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bacon, so you might get a triple.

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I mean, one more could you want, but yeah, now that's my most classic, if I can't think

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of what else to get.

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I tend to just get one of them.

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Yeah, I can understand that.

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You went on a quite a long pilgrimage.

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You walked to a new one.

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This was several weeks ago now, wasn't it?

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Was this with your baby?

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Or was that a solo pilgrimage?

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It was a solo pilgrimage.

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Yeah, it's not a new Burger King, but it was the closest one.

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So here in Auckland, there used to be a Burger King on Queen Street, which is a 5-10-minute

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walk from where I live.

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But since COVID has closed down on me.

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And I had kind of wanted to go on Burger King, but they're all really far away.

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Uber Eats doesn't deliver them.

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They're like knocked too far away, which is weird.

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But on this day, I think it was early December that the Santa Parade was on, and they were

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stopping right outside where I lived.

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And I'm not dealing with this for the whole day.

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I saw this.

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So I was like, "No, I'm just going to go for a huge mash, and I got all my gear together."

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And just started walking, I think it's south towards Epsom.

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So I had to go through New Market in Epsom and got to this Burger King and ended up doing

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a 13k round trip.

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Oh, yeah.

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And then over to Mount Eden to go to a brewery and then back home.

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By the time I got home, they were packing up all the Santa Parade stuff.

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It was like a magnificent, or a five-hour journey.

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One of my, I'm trying to get back into the German B, a little fit of this year.

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So maybe one of my goals for fitness is to join you up in Auckland, and we can do the

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Burger King pilgrimage.

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It's obviously the surf.

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It's now the viaduct of Burger King.

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It was great.

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It was a nice walk.

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I mean, it was basically one big straight line.

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It reminded me a little bit of Christchurch, where there's just one massively long street

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that just cuts through the whole place, and you just keep walking in a dead straight line.

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I have two sort of related anecdotes to that.

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The first one would be, I don't know how you pronounce it, is it Kauplons or Kooplons

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break bakery?

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Kooplons.

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Kooplons.

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Is that a regional chain, Kooplons?

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Or is it just a Christchurch thing?

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No, it's definitely got one in Dunedin.

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I think it's at least South Island, but there's one in Christchurch that has a big rock

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waterfall, and that was always a big thing when you're a child, or you'd want to go to

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that one.

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I don't know.

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That feels like it would be the flagship store, but I don't know.

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Anyway, but some people on Reddit were going to do a hike around, because if you circle

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all the Kooplons bakeries in Christchurch, it's quite a nice loop around most of the

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city.

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And so they were doing a walk and getting a pie or something at each one, and then walking

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onto the next one at it.

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Like you say, like it took most of the day for them to do this loop, but that was quite

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good.

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It's quite good.

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It's quite good.

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The other one, you said Queen Street, and anyone that lives in Auckland will probably

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laugh at how stupid I was doing this, but I was staying at a place called Attic Backpackers,

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which is where I usually stay whenever I was Auckland, and it's just off Queen Street.

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I can't remember the street, it's on, but it's like, right, you walk to the corner of the

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street, and that's Queen Street.

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And we had finished a show.

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I think I'd done a few shows.

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It might have been even the weekend that I was hosting overload, but I ordered McDonald's

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on Uber Eats from the Queen Street store, not realizing that it's literally on the corner

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of the thing.

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And it was like he was go-koo teleporting behind me.

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He just went from your order's place to like, I got back upstairs and then it was like

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your dashes nearby and I was like, what?

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How did this happen?

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And so I can only imagine what this dude did deliver.

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McDonald's like, what, 10 metres?

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However long it was.

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And then basically across the road.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And then I didn't even realise, I just thought, wow, that was, that was, that was

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lucky.

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I guess I got really lucky.

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Maybe they just weren't that busy or something like that.

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And then I did it again because I didn't look up where the McDonald's was from.

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I just clicked, whatever the closest one was.

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And then I did it again the last time I visited and then only dread placed the order realised

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I could have just walked to the corner and got it.

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But enough about me.

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Number two, this one I quite, I was quite looking forward to chatting with you about

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this.

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Number two is collecting Pokemon cards and you've collected a very specific type of Pokemon

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card, don't you?

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Yes.

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So, well, I've got sort of two collections going.

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So I've got, I mean, I started back when I was like, age or nine when they first released

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them.

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So I've still got that old collection of like the original Pokemon cards that they released

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the base sets.

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And I do collect, you know, as they release new sets.

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I will look through and see if there are cards that I like.

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I've got to the point that I've stopped buying booster packs because you just end up with

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like so many spear ones that you're like, ah, Jeff, yeah, you're like, shit, I've got 13

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of this one already and you're just like throwing these cards away.

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But instead, I'll just go on to like, the place I use is TCG player.

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It's a trading card game player.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I will just go and find the individual cards that I like, the artwork of and I buy them instead.

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But yeah, I have a specific set of cards now designed by one artist.

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I've collected all at least in the English cards, all of her cards she's designed.

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Her name is Yuka Mori, M-O-R-I-I.

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All of her cards are real, the little Pokemon on the thing is real.

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So instead of it just being a little drawing, she makes the little Pokemon out of Femoclay,

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the stuff that you can, I think, bake it in the oven to harden it.

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She makes them out of that and then puts them somewhere, you know, out in the wild and takes

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a photo of them and that's the art for the card.

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And so they'll be maybe somewhere that's sensible for that Pokemon to be.

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So I water type Pokemon, she might put on a rock with a little creek behind it or something

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like that.

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And when I started getting these cards, I don't know what it was, I just really took a

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shine to them and I was like, he's really cool, I like these.

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And then I just started kind of from this point expanding the collection outwards and just

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trying to find all of them and say, yeah, I managed to get all the way back to her first card

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from, I think, the third or fourth set of cards that was ever put out back in, like, early

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And yeah, it's just, you know, you go have a hobby day.

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Yeah, that's one of my favorite things about you is you have this such a specific collection

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and that something about that is very satisfying to me because the idea of artwork for trading

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cards, like I've been into trading cards like most of my life.

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And it is quite fascinating to look into some of the old, like, there are certain magic

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gathering artists who are sort of renowned for their artwork, like, I think, Theresa Nielsen

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was a big one for magic gathering.

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She would do these big astral, like, I can't even, you just have to look at it and pretty sure

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it's Theresa Nielsen.

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I also suspect she may have been canceled for some anti-vex police, but I could be wrong

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there.

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I know, I know there was a magic gathering artist who was posting some pretty unhinged stuff

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during the thing.

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I do apologize for Theresa.

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It was one of them.

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Her artwork is fantastic.

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So look those up there.

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If you're a witchy girl and you like the moon phases, then you'll love these because they're

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all different moon phases.

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And what was fascinating is they would just let the artist sign the artwork.

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So sometimes you would have this artwork for like a goblin or something and then over the

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artwork would just be the signature of the artist, which I found kind of odd because it was

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very like a mission breaking.

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Then I kind of, I've come around to a little bit more, like as I've gotten older, because

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it's like a lot of these artists were actually painting a full canvas and sending it to magic

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or wizards who were then turning it into a card.

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So I imagine if you saw the full artwork of some of these things, they'd really blow your

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mind because they're only like a couple of inches tall on the actual cards.

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But these ones were Yucca Mordi.

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Do you know how big the little clay creatures that she creates are?

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I think they vary.

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But I've seen, because I follow her on Instagram and I've seen her, she has had a couple of

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exhibitions of her art.

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And she's also been, I think more recently, she did a thing for like Japan tourism where

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she created like a hundred famous Japanese yokai, so like the little monsters and interesting

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little like folklore creatures that exist and one for each kind of region.

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And so she made these little guys.

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But I think they're based on the pictures I've seen of like the exhibits.

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I think the bigger than you think, like the kind of, yeah, I was thinking that they'd be

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like a little warhammer miniature kind of thing.

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That's what I was pretty sure of.

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Yes, I think it depends, some of them I think are bigger than others.

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Maybe it's the more detailed Pokemon she needs to make them bigger just to get the detail

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Yeah, I think they're decent sort of, some of them are palm sized kind of thing, but I love

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Something about that is just great.

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The fact that they've picked a really creative, I could so out there like who would think

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of creating clay things and then just taking a photo and putting it in the environment like

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I love that.

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I'd love to have such a, I'd love to have such a unique art style like, did you ever play

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these PSP games called Patapot?

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No, are you aware of them at all?

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No, no, no, no, I've not heard of them.

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It's in a nutshell.

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It's like a rhythm game where you as the player, you are essentially, I think you're

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a god or something in the first one.

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You have these drums and each drum is one of the buttons on the PlayStation, so the square

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the triangle, the cross and the circle and each one makes a different, like so the game

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comes Patapot comes from the square is Patown, circle is pond, so when you're drumming you'll

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be like, they'll be chanting a long Patapot, Patapot, as you're hitting the buttons and

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that's like you're basically marching order and that's the thing is you control the army

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by giving them commands with the drums, so you hit like square, square, square, circle

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in a certain rhythm and then they march forward a little bit and then there's a different

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one for attack, there's one to tell them to defend and everything, that's quite a cool

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little game and it's all based on like the screen kind of like flashes a little bit to

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help you keep your rhythm and that's the whole thing is like you want this, you want an

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unbroken chain of getting all the drums and you fight other armies and you fight big dinosaurs

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instead of it's a very cool game but that whole art style was basically came from an artist,

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a free chart is called Relito and if you look at his website, believe his website is

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relitoland.com and I can't even describe it, it's these 2D, do you remember how paper

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Mario was sort of like a 2D 3D kind of, all the characters are clearly 2D but they're

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at a 3D plane and most of the characters are like pitch black but they have a little

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accents of color that sort of you know just to break up the flat, the matte blackness,

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they'll have like maybe like a dot, they're limbs or something like that and yeah like the

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whole art style was just based on this one guys, like I think he did the artwork for the games

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but it was all just based on this one guys personal art style that he was drawing with so

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it's very cool when there's anything happens.

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Yeah, no it's interesting, I like that. I do like when there's just like an interesting

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kind of different art style because you look at a lot of the Pokemon cards going back to

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them that keeps them even though you look at it and it's like oh it's a different artist,

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they all look kind of the same, like there are some that are very much the anime style.

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But then I've got, then there's like some 3D renders and stuff but then there's a few like

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Yuka and there's another artist that I can't think of his name off the top of my head but

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he draws like really abstract, they almost look like they're like paint or pastel art

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and they're really abstract like purple and yellow skies and like really weird colors and

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but they're completely different from the rest but yeah I guess with them they've got kind of

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well with any trading card game they've got kind of free reign sometimes to just be like

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just make us this card do whatever you want.

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Like I think for magic I think Junji Eta, the famous horror manga author has done a

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couple of cards for them as well so it's cool just however they just get whoever they can.

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I think we could almost probably spend another whole podcast talking about the controversy of

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the homogenization of the Pokemon art style because although they're being set so anyone that's

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sort of of our generation, they're in their 30s now, your back's probably starting to hurt.

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The when we were kids the Pokemon art style was a lot weirder like it was they looked more

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like monsters than they do now and wow you mean even have you seen that game "Powl World" that's

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coming out? I've heard I've heard a lot about it and I've seen it come up.

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The fact that "Powl World" they basically look like they could be Pokemon.

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I think probably speaks more to the fact that Pokemon have an established style for their monsters

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now. But I know this is a big point of contention is a lot of people of our generation don't like the

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new art style and they feel like it's two, I don't even know what the word is, all the Pokemon look

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like their plushies almost if that makes sense. They're very round and the shading makes them look

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a bit shiny and almost maybe like they're made of plastic or something whereas they used to have

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this sort of watercolour, watercolour art style back in the day. I don't know if that could be

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another podcast. We don't need to get into the weeds too much on that. We'll go to you next time.

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We'll visit a design of Pokemon some time later. Yeah that's a three hour podcast.

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I got the email back and there is no time limit for the ease on the new platform so if you're

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listening to us now I'm hoping everything has worked out and you're listening on the

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the Tefic Media channel if you're not then something has gone wrong. So number three which is

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rewatching TV series for a million times. This is one absolutely that I

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you know I always look I'm like do I watch this new movie like Salt Burn that everybody's talking

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about or do I just go back and watch Peep Show again and say yeah. Peep Show wins every single God

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damn time. What are your what are your comfortable TV shows Matt? They usually more comedy things. I

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guess it's that comfort thing you know the characters you maybe know the story. It's easier to dip in

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because you're not like oh my god I wonder what the big twists going to be. You can just

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watch an episode. You can maybe watch an episode completely out of water. Come in and just

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I'll come back to that later you don't have to be like I need to now binge this series to find out

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what the ending is or whatever. For me go to a things like Invadersim I mean I've got an Invadersim

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tattoo my right arm is all Invadersim things like Black Books obviously removed from the creator.

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Yes he's got some out there opinions isn't he? He's a terrible person but we're not going to that.

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Show's like Red Warf I've for a very long time I've loved Red Warf and I've just last night finished

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the 11th and 12th series of it. They they had a bit of a break for maybe a decade or more

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but the the last three seasons 10 10 11 and 12 have been amazing like they they captured the the

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the hilarity and the joy that they had in the early stuff. Yeah I would recommend if you've ever watched

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it. Yeah Red Warf's not one that I've ever watched it is a it's almost like a sitcom in space

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of I got that correct and what is the kind of hook what is there what are they presented as like

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what the the basic premise of the show at least in the first series or so is that it's three guys

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traveling alone in space on this massive mining ship that's meant to be like hundreds and hundreds

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of crew and there so the main character the human Lister is a real slob he's lazy he doesn't

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really give a toss about his job he ends up getting punished for smuggling a cat on board of the ship

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and so as punishment he gets put into suspended animation and the the idea is like you'll stay in

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that you will dock your pay when we get back to earth you fired basically wow his his bunk mate and

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sort of main rival is a guy called Arnold Rimmer they work together kind of hate each other but kind of

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don't but because Lister ends up in suspended animation Rimmer's left to his own devices

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screws up a job kills everybody on board the ship including himself

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it fasts for it fasts fords to to Dave being led out of suspended animation now that the radiation

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levels are safe so it's three million years in the future here's potentially the last human in existence

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and the ship computer holly has revived Rimmer as a hologram and so the two of them are going to

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travel around space together and try and get back to earth and then they find cat who is evolved from

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Lister's cat over three million years so he's now a sentient, sapient creature and the kind of

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year like each episode just like a new weird adventure happens and eventually they get a new

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team member called Brighton who is a robot and then it's kind of the four of them are the main

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characters, is cat like a human in a cat costume like on like a subtle cat or is it?

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No, nothing is terrifying is that so the actor is just very well dressed, cat is kind of

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always a nice soats very gaudy but like very trim and cool and he just has fangs he's just like a

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normal looking human with fangs that's the whole cat and stuff that is a cat like a house cat

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yeah yeah so three million years ago Lister's cat was on board the ship but over the three million

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years it has evolved into this human wow I think what do they call them

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fielis sapient so just like a cat cat person wow so yeah that's a general idea okay yeah you've

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actually that does sound quite good um it's because it's so funny to hear about the initial hook

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like certain television shows especially sitcoms um they they never really end up as what they start

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about as like um just a weird example there was one called the hard times about Jay burger

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and it was like the initial season was like he's a loser and no one likes him but he's got a mess

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he's he's got he's really hung he's got a massive wiener and like that was the premise of the show

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and then by season two you know you've got to know all the characters and it's more of a you know

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comedy thing with about awkward you know awkward teen comedy and stuff like that but you just

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you just said that you think like that was the pitch somebody gave in a in a meeting with Hollywood

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or whoever it was it made it like this is gonna be this gonna be a great show and um yeah

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yeah I love hearing I love hearing the initial pitch for a sitcom and then seeing like

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the last season that it's nothing like it's it's a it's a it's a come a long way um since the

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since the initial episode well certainly with red dwarf because it's a it's an english um comedy

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it's kind of self-referential reverent reverent referential I don't know takes the first step

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of yourself yeah um and I think in this latest season it harks back to the original episodes they

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they do callbacks to their to their original stuff which was amazing it was a beautiful

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beautifully done really funny way to kind of hark back to this thing that started I think in the mid 80s

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wow and yeah so like it was it was certainly done when you say that there was you just watched

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season 12 and 13 was it one of those shows that had a bit of a break and then they start they sort of

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revived it what happened there yeah so they uh gotta get this right I think they did up to season

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seven or eight and then I think they they stopped um a lot of fans are a bit divided on the last

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season where they the whole premise is that they revived the entire crew of the red dwarf and it's

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that's the whole other thing it wasn't very good is it yeah no it wasn't really the show it wasn't

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very good I would say if you're getting into it just avoid that just let's get that one yeah I

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think it's I think it was eight but then they did kind of they did they did they did have a gap of

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maybe 15 years then they did a kind of yeah so they they just that was the end of it I think it

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from what I understand it got a different production company they made this one season that a lot of

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fans are a bit effey on and then that was kind of the end of it and then they made a sort of

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straight to tv mini series thing um and then they got bought by I think Dave that can't

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on the in the UK yeah and and so they they started producing the the new season so I think that

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was 19 11 and 12 so it's been the same actors the whole time for it wow yeah I love that I think

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well I think it's kind of part of the staying power of red dwarf it's the same actors

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they've got their same mannerisms and behaviorism whatever it's not people trying to be them it's

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yeah it's it's keeping it yeah well you as you as here um you hear there was a quite attributed

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to Peter Cullen who was the voice of Optimus Prime back in the 80s and I think still in the movies

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now and he said that slipping back into Optimus Prime was like putting on a comfortable pair of

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slippers that he hasn't worn in 15 years or something like that so the other thing I was going to say

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is um I love it when um when actors get to revisit old stuff like that like I've

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just been making my way through the new while the supposedly final Halloween trilogy and they've

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brought back Jamie Luke Curtis as Laurie and I assume the actor for Michael Myers came back I'd

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be hard to tell because he's on the mask um but yeah it's it's it's cool to see you know these actors

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come back with 20 years of acting experience under their belt and they get to really revisit the

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roles that they that kind of made them which is which is really cool yeah we spent a little bit

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much time on these firsts so let's uh I'll just do the executive thing a little as long so another

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poor is snuggles with pet rats yes um for me uh when did I first get rats I think when I was about

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10 or 11 I got I got two pet rats and it started a kind of a lifelong love of of them as pets um

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when you start to get to know pet rats you find that they've each got their own little personalities

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there there are kind of mannerisms they they behave differently um I've since owned three sets

430
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:37,600
of of pet rats um so I started with two boys and I got three girls when I was about 16 or 17

431
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:43,840
and then I had another three girls when I was in my early 20s um all of them completely different

432
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:50,320
from one another um sometimes they're really personable and they want to be close to you other ones

433
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:54,800
they're like nah I'm gonna go and do my own thing if you let them out of the cage to just run around

434
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,960
sometimes they'll come and spend a lot of time on you they'll sit like up on your neck or in a

435
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:05,200
hood or in your sleeve but then some will run away and go and make a nest somewhere like they

436
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:10,160
they'll go and do their own little thing so they they go and live their own independent little

437
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:17,440
lives wow yeah having having a pet rat I had one in particular her name was crayon um

438
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:27,120
she was always with me pretty much she even if I'd let them out she would run about on my bed

439
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:31,040
she would run down like under the covers if I was sitting under the covers she would run under

440
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:36,160
the covers down to my feet and then run up my leg and like up under my shirt and pop up on my

441
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:44,240
like shoulder or something yeah she was always like right there she would like lick my ear or she

442
00:34:44,240 --> 00:34:49,360
a food with me that kind of thing like they're very they're very cute little creatures and I think

443
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:55,200
they get a bad rat because of some shit that went down back in the middle ages but yeah they've

444
00:34:55,200 --> 00:35:01,600
been fighting off that stigma of the black deer ever since her back yeah like even even when I

445
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:09,120
first got them my my grandmother was quite I think apprehensive and she was like oh no all dirty

446
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:13,600
creatures but once she kind of got to know them she was like actually they're they're really lovely

447
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:18,800
little things and she would hold them and yeah she packed them and stuff she was completely fine

448
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:26,160
like once you kind of get to know a pet rat they're yeah they're lovely yeah I had a friend in high

449
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:35,040
school that had two rats he had a big white one and and I cannot I think maybe like a an ash gray sort of

450
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:42,320
like a black a black one and if I think they're yeah you're right there's a different people that

451
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:47,040
aren't used to let myself there is a definitely a a little bit of a hump to get over

452
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:54,720
because of TV shows like fear factor when they would put like you're in a coffin full of rats and

453
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:04,080
always made me laugh whenever just that one came on I was like yeah like they're not going to eat you

454
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:11,120
they're not scratchy like yeah the only time the only time I got really scratched by my rats is if I

455
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:20,880
was trying to um bathe them so you'd have they were iffy about it yeah they like you only put them in

456
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:26,640
like maybe a couple of centimeters of water just so that they're up to maybe their legs yeah once they

457
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,720
were wet they would jump and because you're slippery they're just like digging their claws and

458
00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:35,280
then just sliding down your arm and you're like okay just I need you to sit still we're almost done

459
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:41,200
we're we're gonna get out of here but yeah no they're not so not too bad occasionally or they'd

460
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:46,480
like run up your back so they're like gripping and calling out that's not that bad

461
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:53,200
okay cats do that as well so not a lot definitely not as bad as cats so then I find I find this a

462
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:59,120
little fascinating the idea of um because some people are trying to domesticate foxes and I think

463
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:04,880
it was like Russia or somewhere in that part of the world and they've been they've basically just

464
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:09,600
been selectively breeding they've been finding the friendliest ones out of the thing and then over the

465
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,680
course of you know probably a hundred years they're trying to domesticate foxes because they're not

466
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:20,240
really domesticated um yes as far as I know anyways um but there was a test they did where

467
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:24,240
they put an undermester or they put one of the least friendly ones in a

468
00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:29,920
in the cage with a human and it was like right up the back of the cage wanted nothing to do with

469
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:34,880
the human then they put one of their better ones in who walked up they had a bit of a look around

470
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:40,240
but never came close to the human and then they put just a family dog in and the dog ran up to

471
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:46,960
the human and pounced on them and you know the dog was literally running um so the idea of like

472
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:55,040
what do rats do they just think we're a large do they think we're a large rat that's kind of one of

473
00:37:55,040 --> 00:38:00,640
the family of rats family based what's there do they have a social structure they do they're very

474
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:06,480
social animals um same with like guinea pigs and I think most other rodents to be honest they

475
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:13,600
they they do get lonely um so I think in places like Sweden I think it's against the law to own one

476
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:19,600
guinea pig you have to own two um because it's it's seen as cruel to leave them alone but yeah they are

477
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:26,720
like a a group animal um for you they they they they definitely like if you have more than one rat they

478
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:31,840
will cuddle up together to go to sleep you know they they make little nests together they they

479
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,720
you know they'll share food or they'll they'll fight like any other animal they'll fight over food

480
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:43,760
and thanks if it's like no you're trying to steal that thing out of my mouth um but yeah like I don't

481
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:48,480
know I don't know how they see people maybe maybe they do just see us as like a big a big rat or

482
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:56,320
at least like any other train you know domesticated animal that that it's like you're the thing that

483
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:05,200
gives me food yeah and that benefits me so you know whatever but yeah I don't know very interesting the um

484
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:09,920
I love watching videos of rats fighting because they actually grab each other by the throat and they

485
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:15,920
like it looks like people fighting or my slick there's a great meme of um two rats fighting

486
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,920
they're rolling around each other and stuff and I think the caption was me fighting with my BF

487
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:29,040
because he want to leave uh ugly photo he took of me it's just great the the only the only downside I

488
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:36,240
had with with rats is that since they're nocturnal um I would typically have their cage in my bedroom

489
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:41,280
but because they're nocturnal when it's bedtime for me it's wrestle time for them

490
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:45,440
and so they would be rolling around the cage

491
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:51,600
all the time we're all bashing each other yeah like literally they would roll from like off their bed

492
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,520
onto the next platform down into the bottom so there's this clanging and bashing and

493
00:39:55,520 --> 00:40:04,320
but yeah they um they do that thing that like a lot of dogs get you know the zoomies where they just

494
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,440
sort yeah they're just yeah they're just sitting there and then all of a sudden they're like

495
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:12,400
one and then they're just bolting across the room or whatever they they will do that in the middle

496
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:17,920
of the night and suddenly you hear them like jumping about they do that thing where they're like jumping

497
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:22,320
and turning on the spot and just running a lot of noise and running and jumping out so it's

498
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,920
so yeah it would often get to the point that I was at right I'm gonna put you on another room so

499
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:33,360
that I could go to sleep yeah um and and yeah because it was uh you know just a bit of a

500
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:47,280
bit much yeah yeah wonderful all right so number five is metal music yeah so um it kind of

501
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:54,880
quite a vague one that I I had thought of but I I've for a long time really enjoyed listening to metal

502
00:40:54,880 --> 00:41:02,480
whether it's like really in same death metal or kind of old-school trash metal like slayer or mega

503
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:11,040
death that kind of stuff um I've kind of said for a while that they can be angry so that I don't have to

504
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:19,840
be whatever whatever weird reason it just kind of relaxes me a little bit um listening to these

505
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:26,880
which is insane bands and it's usually the stuff that's just lots of really fast drums and a lot of

506
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:33,600
like that's the kind of stuff that I'm really into I enjoy that um you find that quite cathartic

507
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:44,240
I think so yeah this there's like that release of emotion or something I mean that is catharsis

508
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:50,400
but yeah there is there is something about it that it's like if you've had it maybe a shitty day at

509
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:58,240
work or something you can listen to to this music and kind of channel that emotion L Square that

510
00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:04,880
it's going into something else that you don't have to go home and punch a hole in the drywall um yeah

511
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:12,400
that's great you're just kind of letting it out I've always assumed that listening to angry music

512
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:18,160
when I'm angry it would would double down but that's an interesting point that I've never tried

513
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:23,920
listening to because I know a lot of people have like heartbreak songs that when they listen

514
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:29,280
you know a lot of people have like a heartbreak playlist or something and I would assume that

515
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:33,920
just makes it even worse but maybe it's actually the opposite effect and maybe that helps

516
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:40,080
people deal with it more yeah well again it's kind of like oh I'm feeling quite sad I'm going to

517
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:45,440
put on this sad movie or I'm going to listen to the sad song so that you can let that emotion out

518
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:50,080
you know the little make you sad so that you're just gonna bring it out of yourself maybe

519
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:56,080
but like yeah for me I think also like yeah maybe if you are angry you can put that on it and then

520
00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:06,000
you can trash that music it feels like an appropriate context for that I don't know expression

521
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:12,720
where you're like I'm listening to this death metal and you can thrash about a bit and let out

522
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:18,400
some of that energy and then you can come back and be like ah I feel a bit better now it's probably

523
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:24,080
the same as like going for a run or whatever if you're feeling like frustrated or tense it's like

524
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:30,560
go for a walk or go do this it's the same you're just kind of letting that like focusing that feeling

525
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:38,000
or emotion into something slightly more productive than just being angry or whatever and then just

526
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:44,800
doing it yeah yeah yeah yeah I'd I'd written down a couple of the bands if anybody wants to

527
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:51,920
to listen to this please have some of the bands there's bands like hyper dontier which is a

528
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:56,080
medical condition that means you end up with too many teeth you end up with a teeth in the roof of

529
00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:06,320
your mouth they're a very good band I enjoy them there's decapitated they are elite and then

530
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:13,680
there's there's kind of a newer band that my BFF from from earlier going to booking he got me into

531
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:20,320
called sangua suger bog they're an interresting American band that they have very

532
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:27,280
very tiny snaredrum sound and stuff are they the one that have that very distinctive logo

533
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:34,080
that's like like black metal people will know the logo that I'm talking about they're almost

534
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:40,320
like dripping is that the band yes I think it probably is have I'm not quickly googling now

535
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:53,760
s a angua suger bog it's s a n g u i s u g a b o g g okay i'm looking it up now yes it's the one

536
00:44:53,760 --> 00:45:02,640
okay so go ahead so it looks like an incomprehensible mess of just like someone has taken like

537
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:08,880
silly putty in thrown at a wall yes their name their name is actually in there there is there is

538
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:16,080
an instagram page who reads death metal or like band logos like that and he's like here's where I put

539
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:21,920
the yes here's the a and he spells it out and I'm like okay I'm actually genuinely impressed that

540
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:27,200
that a you could find it and be that it's actually in there and it's not just taking the piss the

541
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:34,000
funniest thing about that logo is I'm not even really like a black metal or like a death metal guy

542
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:40,320
but I've seen that logo before and you've just seen it on hoodies and stuff like that and

543
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:45,280
something about the shape of it the fact that if you look at it you'll know exactly what I mean

544
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:53,040
to the listener I'm talking now with this this sort of drippy drippy right hand side to it and

545
00:45:55,040 --> 00:46:01,760
yeah I'm sure you could probably discern off of the all the letters in it but um

546
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:06,720
yes so they're a bit of an institution in that middle so check them out I have to give them a

547
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:09,680
listen after this I've got lots of homework through that I've got a I've got to go and follow

548
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:15,520
you can already on instagram I've got to um what was the other thing we're gonna talk we're talking

549
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:20,320
about red dwarf we're gonna watch red dwarf and now I've got to listen to sangua sangua

550
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:28,480
struggebog yeah yeah so good bog that's so good bog okay so yeah and there's also I'm sorry I was

551
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:33,440
gonna just put it in there is also more like chilled out music that I'll listen to like alder

552
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:39,280
or gremlung it's a bit more kind of stonery chill vibes but I can listen to and it's a lot more like

553
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:44,000
here's a 10 minute track of mainly instrumentals I'm like oh yeah that's cool that's the kind of thing

554
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:50,320
that if I'm in a in the mood for it I can sit and listen to that on repeat for hours and just

555
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:55,600
just keep it going you've sent me some good tracks in the past that were um I don't know what the

556
00:46:55,600 --> 00:47:01,120
the genre is but they're almost like epic fantasy metal I guess is the way I would describe it um I

557
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:09,600
think that was the sword you wrote the intro to like a dean if you're like a dungeon master you would

558
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:14,160
you would you wrote a bit like a scenario and then you said this is when the music would kick in

559
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:22,000
yeah very apt I think so then number six is tasting new beers and whiskeys this is something I spoke

560
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:27,360
a little bit with Dan on our last episode about um about haran jellis that I don't really like craft

561
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:34,160
beer or not like general um but all the cans are just so much fun and you know like it seems

562
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:42,640
it seems like a delightful hobby to just be able to sample these um these these craft beers it's

563
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:51,040
there's something there's something about going to a brewery getting it from the sauce and

564
00:47:51,040 --> 00:48:00,240
tasting like because a lot of breweries you know depending on which like up up here in Auckland we're

565
00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:07,760
kind of spoke for spoilt for choice um there is a brewery here called behemoth um they have a tap

566
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:16,560
room called churlies I think um but they've got like yeah they've got like 30 or 40 beers on their list

567
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:25,200
and it's like I don't know what to pick there's just too much choice so going in and getting a

568
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:29,840
tasting paddle which is normally five or six of their beers is a great way to find out and it's like

569
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:36,400
you know small maybe 200 mil glass maybe less and you can just try these different beers

570
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:41,680
and and you don't have to go like shit I've bought this massive bottle of beer I've bought a six pack

571
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:47,760
or a 12 pack and I'm finding out that I don't actually like it um and it's kind of the same with

572
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:53,520
whiskeys is that you can go to a distillery and you can get just a nip you can just try these

573
00:48:53,520 --> 00:49:03,520
different whiskies and you don't have to invest in the whole bottle um but yeah like recently um over

574
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:11,280
Christmas I was in Tasmania went to a couple of distilleries um down in Hobart and yeah I got to try

575
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:16,400
a couple of things I kind of wanted to buy some but they were quite expensive and I can understand

576
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:23,040
why you know it's it's not like a you know it's not a cheap 12 pack it it was like 200 plus dollars

577
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:30,080
for a 700 mil bottle of these very nice whiskies but as I it's not in my budget I appreciate the

578
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:35,200
work the effort they're really nice but I can't afford it just at the moment yeah so that's that's

579
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:40,160
kind of why it's nice to go to a tasting where you can just try a little bit of it and be like wow

580
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:47,520
that's really cool but I can't afford to buy a whole bottle of it that is good yeah yeah like I

581
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:55,760
would say we we tend to go and try different breweries up here in Auckland and there's three that

582
00:49:55,760 --> 00:50:04,560
have really stood out um mythica which do a lot of like very interesting kind of beers that sometimes

583
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:11,120
I wouldn't normally try like I think they had a lemon meringue cheesecake wow beer and it was like

584
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:18,160
really smooth creamy nitrogen pool so similar to like Guinness very smooth but I was like oh yeah sure

585
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:23,760
it's not gonna taste anything like what they say and as soon as I try to I was like wow you can even

586
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:30,720
taste kind of the pastry but on the cheesecake it's amazing highly highly recommend um then

587
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:36,800
there's batsman brewing um they're quite a new one I think they started a year or two ago and

588
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:45,520
their family run I think it's basically from talking to a couple of the guys at the the tap room

589
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:51,920
they're just a some iron family some of it they've all got their own day jobs and stuff and they

590
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:58,320
all just kind of come and volunteer and do the the beer like you know bar stuff and that kind of

591
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:06,080
stuff so it's got this really nice family vibe it's a really nice little space at at rules we've been

592
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:12,000
there twice now and I really want to go back and and hang out there again because it's just it's a

593
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:19,360
very nice space and then the other one I mentioned was behemoth but yeah like there's so many different

594
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:28,320
breweries and things to to try up in all of this um so yeah tasting tasting new beers is is normally my

595
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:33,680
my my favorite just just even tasting anything really just little little taste is get us get a

596
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:39,760
try of it and then go oh yeah that's fine I'm not gonna buy more of it but I like that so that's

597
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:45,120
that's another thing is like I I don't know what my little thing that I want to like I thought it

598
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:52,720
would be cheeses for a while but I'm not actually that into cheeses so it's like you know I had a couple

599
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:59,200
I was like this is very David Mitchell moment of like you know well this is nice but you know

600
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:06,240
I'd be just as happy with any playing tasty cheese you know like it's not it was lost on me I guess

601
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:12,160
is the I guess is the the thing there I was gonna say the thing I quite like about breweries is a

602
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:18,560
lot of them I have to put on stand-up comedy nights so I feel like eventually when we have if you

603
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:27,200
money we might have to put on a comedy tour where we do a stand-up show at the brewery and in the

604
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:33,520
following day we do like a supplementary YouTube video where you just taste the beers and you tell me

605
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:38,000
you tell me if they're good or fuck because I don't drink I just sit there with a Coca-Cola from

606
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:46,000
the from the tap like I guess the house is very good today that sounds that sounds idea like I do that

607
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:54,800
it's easy what I what I quite like about behemoth as well is it scratches the itch of pop culture for

608
00:52:54,800 --> 00:53:00,160
me because the thing that's very cool is all of the beers if I remember correctly the logo or the

609
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:05,680
the pure that circle thing that goes on the beer taps is always the same and it has the behemoth

610
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:11,360
logo but then they have like a little creatures there mascot don't they like a Sasquatch or something

611
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:18,960
I think I think that might be truly I think that is that creature's name oh okay yeah so I think

612
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:24,240
I be a yes they do have that same little guy on all the hands but then I'll do him in like

613
00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:30,480
like I feel like a surpeki blinders one we had the little hat on and you know like they've done

614
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:36,880
like a Simpsons one or I think they did like an Indiana Jones and they've they've done like Star Wars

615
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:42,400
and also like him as Obi-Wan and Luke and that kind of thing yeah I love that because you get that

616
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:47,200
cool kind of pop culture kick out of it which is great it must be a lot of fun to work as the designer

617
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:53,600
for that um for that company I would say yeah okay number seven road trip playlist so this is

618
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:58,880
another one that's it's been surprising me how much road trips has been appearing in these

619
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:07,680
um Dan I remember in the previous episode talked about enjoying a long drive um yeah do you

620
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:12,720
what words actually I just want to quickly jump back to the beer do you have if we're going to

621
00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:18,960
launch let's say you're like a um you became a celebrity and you had a brewery come to you and say

622
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:24,720
hey much we want you to come up with a beer like you don't have to say necessarily what the beer would

623
00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:31,040
be but do you have a name or a graphic or do you know do you have like a vibe in mind for like if

624
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:36,160
absolutely no limitations you could do whatever you want um have you got any thoughts on what you

625
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:44,480
would like probably anything that isn't a hazy IPA um I feel like the market is vastly oversaturated

626
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:50,640
with those at the moment um everywhere is just some kind of IPA I think I would probably want to do

627
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:59,280
some kind of more traditional old like a brown ale like a more OG style of beer or a lagot or a

628
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:08,960
pilsner those sorts of um ones that you're not seeing quite as much of yeah yeah but as for I don't know

629
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:16,560
graphics and things I couldn't have to be honest so too on the spot I can't I can't think it's like

630
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:20,320
when someone tells you like well when you say that you're a comedian and and someone says like oh

631
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:27,040
tell me it's joking suddenly every joke you've ever known suddenly leaves your leaves your mind well

632
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:30,960
I found that so I'm a graphic designer by trade let's let me help you a little so imagine we'd have

633
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:37,200
to do a death metal kind of look for the logo right so I feel like we'd have to come up with um

634
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:45,040
a medical terminology for someone quite grim but then we put a pun of like a beer in it or something

635
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:52,480
like like a like a so you were going to go for a what was the first kind of beer you were going to do

636
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:58,880
like a like a brown like a brown ale or a pilsner or a laga so we need to do something that's

637
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:03,440
laga at the end of it you know like something something laga it's like a medical terminology of

638
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:10,480
some kind um something something has just popped into my head please tell me if this is anything

639
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:20,320
yeah to burky laga's oh there it is there it is to burky laga's and then we give it a

640
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:28,160
incoperatesable like that um like the like the what was the smiband sangua super bog sangua

641
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:38,560
super bog um so there it is it's it's um to be to be I can't even pronounce it to be burky laga's to

642
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:44,880
burky laga's and it just has an incoperatesable black metal logo but if you look really closely

643
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:50,560
there is the letters in it so that that's it that we've done put a stamp on that we're going to make it

644
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:55,920
get out get out us um laga companies if you're listening we've got a we've got your next billion dollar

645
00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:05,360
idea okay so jump just quickly one more thing of beer that's the the people that are like me that

646
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:11,360
don't drink are probably like you know for the beer topics um but there's there's a quick one um

647
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:17,840
there's a restaurant called beers which is um like a slow and low and slow barbecue place very good

648
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:25,200
place in crashchurch they actually have a stock market screen of like what the popular beers are

649
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:29,760
and you you know like the the the the what are the new york stock exchanges those little arrows going

650
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:36,160
up and down they have that in there so when you look you can see what people are ordering and um

651
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:43,680
they're kind of interested I thought anyway okay number seven road trip playlists um yes what kind

652
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:50,960
of things feature on your road trip playlist um well so as I mentioned before just recently

653
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:57,600
I've been in Tasmania um so we did a big drive from the north of Tasmania down right down to the south

654
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:04,240
to Hobart which was a an hour and a half two hours kind of thing yep and so I put together um

655
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:12,800
I I had put together a playlist initially for my mum for Christmas day um this was the first

656
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:19,360
time I've spent Christmas not at home um and so normally on Christmas day my responsibility is

657
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:26,160
doing the music keeping the vibe going for for cooking the the Christmas lunch for the for the morning

658
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:30,880
and stuff and so I was like look mum I'll put together a playlist and I'll send it 30 years so you've

659
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:37,920
still kind of I'm still there in spirit but then once I had this this playlist so it it like you

660
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:46,880
have rights father talking to a real agrarian sorry it had a wider array of things like I think it started

661
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:53,840
with some queens of the stone age it had some like 70s punk and scar so like madness the stranglers

662
00:58:53,840 --> 00:59:03,440
the specials um then it would move like I would randomly interspers like a bit of death metal so I put

663
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:10,720
a decapitated song in there um because I know that my mum actually does quite enjoy a lot of metal

664
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:18,480
music and stuff yeah yep I um I put uh some songs of this this band that's just released their

665
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:26,400
newest album they're called Green Lung um kind of that that uh more stonery metal yeah

666
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:34,400
yeah yeah then then I was into like a bit of drum and bass but uh like that kind of stuff

667
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:41,280
bit more high-energy electronic music and things across the spectrum of of music I think I even put a

668
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:48,640
couple of um yeah there were a couple of country music tracks so there's a guy called Tyler Childers

669
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:54,960
that has an amazing voice I really like his music it's not that kind of pop country

670
00:59:54,960 --> 01:00:00,960
country country and I was at Garth Garth Brooks that kind of stuff where it's like I'm singing about

671
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:07,280
my truck what are they the Florida Tennessee line there's a um yeah Florida George

672
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:13,840
line I think they were the epitome of that pop country thing for a while yeah so no it's very much

673
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:23,360
more that proper like bluegrass appellation mountains kind of um country music and stuff and so

674
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:29,280
it's a lot more soulful there's a lot more I don't know there's a lot more truth to it even if he's

675
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:34,160
just singing about getting wasted or whatever there's more there's a ton of more feeling behind it

676
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:38,720
that it's like you're not some multi-bellionier who's like living in a mansion and singing about how

677
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:44,240
oh I'm working down on my tractor my little pick up truck yeah yeah my pickup truck and my blue

678
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:49,840
jeans it's like shut up no yeah I think that was the big criticism of Florida Georgia line as

679
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:56,400
I think really not guys who have worked for a living yeah all righty so number are you got anything

680
01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:02,560
else to add for road trip playlists no I was just gonna say that I for me I just enjoy putting together

681
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:07,840
the playlists because I don't drive so I'm like I feel useless otherwise I'm like I'll typically take

682
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:13,360
over the ox cord I might pass that here I'll deal with that especially if I'm the passenger princess

683
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:21,760
you know sitting in the front seat yeah like I said before or you said before that I introduced you

684
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:27,040
to some of some of my music yes I like introducing people to music that might be necessarily

685
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:33,680
there go to first off and I'm like I think you'll like this here's a wee try and they're like oh this

686
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:39,280
is quite cool what's this song and that's I like that failing that's probably really the joy is

687
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:46,000
not just listening to my music but introducing someone else to the the joy that I feel from this music

688
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:58,160
yeah that's a very noble joy fantastic all right number eight can completionism um what's what kind

689
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:04,400
of things have you been known is this um like you have a very specific thing that you like to completion

690
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:11,200
is a more is it every single thing across the board not not every single thing um primarily video

691
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:17,600
games um obviously I've got this Pokemon card collection that I mean until until the artist

692
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:24,240
dies there will always be new cards to add to the collection so it's far hard to complete but

693
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:33,840
yeah for me it's something like video games um I've always been I always went to try and finish

694
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:39,040
everything before kind of wrapping the rest of the game up I remember the an early example was

695
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:46,320
one of the godfather video games either the first or second one I give you the whole city to kind of do

696
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:53,920
stuff and you can go and take over businesses whatever I ended up going and finding all of the

697
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:59,040
collectibles doing all of the other side missions getting all the best weapons upgrading all of that

698
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:05,360
before I'd even really progressed in the story so then I'm that dude rolling in to like the first

699
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:11,840
mission completely catered out best guns best everything and it's like oh this is going to be really

700
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:19,280
tough and I walk in like headshotting everything you know like automatic shotgun like crazy stupid

701
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:28,080
weapons that's the kind of I want to just complete everything um first so so like a big one that I

702
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:33,520
had was like the witcher three I I was like I can't do the main story missions and I would read which

703
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:39,680
missions would lead you further into the story so I could just play a point and save myself

704
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:47,200
locking out any other bits but um the other the other one would be games that require you to

705
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:56,160
either tidy up or or like break something down um so I recently played a little bit of um

706
01:03:56,160 --> 01:04:03,440
ship graveyard simulator to oh wow so you start this game and but the premise is

707
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:11,120
that you run a ship graveyard like a scrapyard and you just have to go in and break it into pieces

708
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:17,200
and sell those pieces upgrade your gear and you get better at breaking stuff down oh

709
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:26,720
come on and so on that was that was the whole gameplay is that you collect scrap chuck it in your truck

710
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:31,680
take that salad upgrade stuff come back you can break bigger bits down now that kind of thing

711
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:39,520
that that kind of hook I don't know if it's like oxytocin or some some kind of feel good chemical

712
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:48,480
in my brain then I like yes I like this and it's that kind of tidying up um so I I saw some people

713
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:53,920
recently playing power wash simulator oh yeah yeah absolutely you've got a water blaster

714
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:59,680
and and the particular mission they played they were in the craft manner so Lara Croft's

715
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:05,680
manner from term raider oh and so her her entire mansion is just grubby and they just go in and clean

716
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:10,080
the whole thing and I was like that looks really satisfying you've got a little like a center

717
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:15,680
jubhaha clean everything is that kind of thing yeah yeah the I don't know what what kind of part of

718
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:23,200
my brain but yeah that's that's kind of the completionism that I enjoy or uh playing a game and

719
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:29,120
trying to get all of the achievements that kind of thing just like I want to finish this to 100

720
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:37,040
percent right right well I um I've been a little bit like you in that um I so I'm usually quite bad at

721
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:42,080
doing the 100% gaming thing but when you were talking about being over prepared to do the storyline

722
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:47,200
missions as I've been playing a couple of um level five games from the pierced to the right I've

723
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:53,600
been playing dark chronicle and uh road galaxy both fantastic games if you have the means to um play

724
01:05:53,600 --> 01:06:01,520
them uh to the listeners I highly recommend them and um I played these games as as a kid and got stuck

725
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:06,640
uh what I'm learning now is embarrassingly early into the game like of 10 chapters I got stuck

726
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:14,240
about four chapters and or something it was I wasn't doing very well and and dark chronicle um they

727
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:18,080
have this interesting I think you'd probably actually quite like it if you like tidying up and organizing

728
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:24,720
because they have this system where um the dark cloud games are involved going into a dungeon

729
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:29,360
fighting monsters and you collect basically pieces of a town that's been sort of destroyed and then

730
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:33,600
you put the town back together so you put like the people back into their houses and you put like

731
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:37,440
you kind of ask them what they want and they'll be like I'd love to have a gate around the house

732
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:40,720
you put a gate on it and then you get like 100 percent you know when everyone's happy you get like

733
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:48,000
this nice 100% completion and um what I didn't realize as a child is um when you do the

734
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:53,120
these it makes little chests appear around the things you've completed and if you collect these chests

735
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:58,240
they get they give you items that make your characters have more health and more defense and I

736
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:03,520
never do like I'm sure I picked some up by accident but I probably just went uh bro David and what's

737
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:09,760
that and it's dumb and then just ignored it or something and so like so playing through them now knowing

738
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:15,440
how the game is supposed to work and also being able to look up online like the ideal setup for things

739
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:21,520
which you couldn't do in the 90s really um I've been getting to bosses and being like wow I

740
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:27,040
remember that boss being really hard as a kid and just breezing through it now and then even in

741
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:32,640
rogue galaxy I've been I found it is a really good chill out game to just like deacon press if I just

742
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:37,600
have a podcast or something on and I'm just grinding I'll just run in circles until I until enemies pop

743
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:45,280
up kill all of them and like I'm perfectly happy just doing that for an hour and uh but then what's

744
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:51,760
happened is because we'll make this would probably bug your completionism but the way the the the

745
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:57,120
the level five games the way you do your weapons or it's like rather than your characters leveling

746
01:07:57,120 --> 01:08:04,800
up necessarily it's more like your weapons and so in the dark cloud and dark cloud tube um you chuck

747
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:09,920
like stats onto them essentially like you build up the fire stat of a weapon and then like

748
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:16,320
when the when the the fire the beast and then like the undead of a weapon are like shy enough you can

749
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:22,560
turn it into its next forms you kind of like level them up and um again as a child this was very

750
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:27,600
hard to do and I didn't get very far but now I'm like kind of know like how to make it all work

751
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:34,320
and um how they changed it in rogue galaxy because rogue galaxy is not really a secret it's more like

752
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:39,520
a spiritual success it's different gameplay and much bigger much bigger of a game but um

753
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:45,520
still has a lot of the elements that level five are known for and um actually shout out to level five

754
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:49,760
because uh Philip my old coworker from Japan works and I I know he sometimes chants into the

755
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:56,800
podcast so Philip if you're listening hello um keep up the good work and um but the thing that bugs

756
01:08:56,800 --> 01:09:03,360
me about rogue galaxy is instead of leveling up your swords what you do now is you find a new weapon

757
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:08,240
you've got to fight with it about 15 15 battles is enough to level it if you kind of get like you

758
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:14,320
like master it or whatever or you like it gets it's like a progress bar and then you've got this little

759
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:20,320
frog that you feed two swords to it and it will combine them and then spit out a new one but this is

760
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:24,880
very hard to predict what's going to come out of the second time there are charts online but man it's

761
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:29,840
complicated to look at like what and what is going to turn into what so I initially was trying to get

762
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:34,080
like the optimal like okay I'll level the sword up and then I'll get it to its peak and then I've

763
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:39,040
got to find this other sword and then I'll level it up and up and then but then I got sick of that

764
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:43,840
and I just started feeding and whatever I'd be like level 29 sword and level 30 sword uh good

765
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:50,720
enough just keep it doing that I haven't run in 20 problems doing that so far so I have to assume

766
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:57,040
that you're not supposed to overthink it like I was doing um but it's great when you get to a point

767
01:09:57,040 --> 01:10:01,200
where you're you're fighting a boss that you're not supposed to be able to beat and then you just

768
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:07,040
kick their ass and then like the you know the cutscene things and your characters are losing again

769
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:10,560
anyway I think I'm a little bit too much about that let's get through these last couple

770
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:15,840
so number number nine discussing history anyone that's listened to our podcast will know

771
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:24,080
we're both big fans of history um and uh yeah anything anything you'd like to talk about on that um

772
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:30,960
not not hapes like I enjoy either finding someone who also knows about it and having a conversation

773
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:39,680
with them about something that they that we both share knowledge of um equally talking to someone who

774
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:44,960
doesn't know about a particular thing and teaching them something new about it and and again like

775
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:51,040
sharing music it's it's finding we're seeing that like kind of spark of joy in someone else they're

776
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:56,560
like wow that's really cool or this is so interesting like yeah that's why I like this so much

777
01:10:56,560 --> 01:11:04,640
so yeah I think for me I mean my my first degree at university was majoring in classical studies

778
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:11,600
so Greek and Roman history um well I think I went on to do like a diploma in history just to kind

779
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:20,720
of add on to that as well so I've always even as a kid I really enjoyed like medieval like monarchy

780
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:24,960
history type stuff all of all of those sorts of things have always really like

781
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:34,320
scratched an itch for me that that like is is all of this stuff that has existed before us in this

782
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:40,800
exact moment yeah and I think a lot of people I would hope that a lot of people are interested in it

783
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:45,280
but it seems like a lot of people are just disengaged and they're like ah fine it's old I don't care

784
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:53,360
and not kind of giving due difference to what has come before us that has led us to hear

785
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:59,760
that kind of thing I think is I mean it's a dangerous thing to figure our history as well and figure

786
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:06,160
how we're good so yeah so I think I think for me just yeah talking about history is is

787
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:14,880
yeah just just a joyful thing for me I just you'll often find I'll get I mean you've probably

788
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:22,240
heard it on this if I get onto a topic that I really enjoy I just I can't start I end up kind of

789
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:27,520
having to catch myself and be like oh yeah shit no one's as interested in this as I am oh oh I'll stop

790
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:32,720
well I think I think initially that was how we became friends because you were up in Christchurch

791
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:36,560
doing maybe comedy I can't remember if you were here to see family or comedy but do you remember

792
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:42,320
when to like Carl's junior and it was uh it was a sort of cloudy overcast day and I was just talking

793
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:48,960
about Alexander the great for like five hours and like the Romans and stuff and uh I don't remember

794
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:55,040
if we knew each other before that I think we'd met maybe a couple times at comedy shows but then if

795
01:12:55,040 --> 01:13:00,560
it was like okay this is gonna be like proper friends not just comedy friends so I'm not gonna

796
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:07,040
appreciate yeah the history bringing people together so one last one to go number 10 chatting in

797
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:12,720
New Zealand sign language you told me some interesting anecdotes about um people assuming that

798
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:20,880
you can't speak because they see you doing it's sign language which is like a bit mad but yeah yeah I

799
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:25,200
can certainly imagine it is a very cool feeling because didn't we talk about this on the podcast

800
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:30,800
about how you have this it's like having a secret you know you're like and you've got this little secret

801
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:36,400
language that not many people can speak and um everything like that yeah anything you want to add to

802
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:44,000
that yeah so it for me it's it's whether it's chatting with like my my classmates who are hearing for

803
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the most part or speaking to their friends of mine using sign languages it's it's so expressive

804
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and I think it once you kind of get into like a really more detailed conversation with someone

805
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beyond like hi how are you where do you work that kind of icebreaker stuff once you get into like a

806
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full conversation with someone you see a conversation just suddenly comes to life and it's it's very

807
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expressive there there are like you can embody a second person that you're talking about if you're

808
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telling someone else about a conversation that two people had you can embody both of them you can

809
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express their emotions properly to this person it's amazing it's it's yeah I think it's

810
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somewhere between like kind of speaking and or communicating and like theater you're you're almost

811
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start acting as well as as well as conversating it's it's yeah it's really cool I I and as you

812
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said you know it's like a secret language you can you can sit there having this chat and you'll see

813
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people looking at you been like what are they doing what are they talking about yeah and and just

814
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you're completely in your own world and and no one else no one else can kind of get up that kind

815
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of thing like there's I remember you just telling me that the fact that you can have a conversation

816
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and a noisy pub yeah complete completely unhindered like we were just talking about before before

817
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off the air when you go to a place to have a chat with some friends and then the band comes on and

818
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:34,000
they've got it way too loud for the vibe of the place so they're ever useful to be able to um

819
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to do that I was going to say as well the um so I have found that when I speak Japanese my personality

820
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:52,000
changes a little bit do you find the same thing with sign language I don't think so I think I think

821
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:57,840
it's just I mean you have to kind of change a little bit just because you've got to think about

822
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what words you're trying to use in English that aren't in sign so you're like hang on what is it

823
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:09,840
I'm wanting to say so you you end up going like a couple of steps ahead of yourself and you're like okay

824
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:16,640
let me just think about this and then you kind of can explain like whether whether it's do I need to

825
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:23,120
explain this concept because there's not a sign for it or I'll just explain it in a different

826
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:30,480
slightly more longer you know roundabout way to get to the same point um yeah you do I think

827
01:16:30,480 --> 01:16:40,160
I think you stay very much the same person um the the the whole the whole thing in the kind of

828
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:47,040
deaf world the deaf community is that you don't tend to wear a mask you know you you are

829
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:54,960
you are exactly what people see there's no facades you're not hiding personality or whatever

830
01:16:54,960 --> 01:17:01,200
this is just this is me you are honest you're open and everyone's kind of the same it's it's just

831
01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:09,280
yeah there's there's no um I think there's there's no illusion that it's it's not that you're trying

832
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:13,520
to be too faced you're not like oh hey how are you and then that person leaves and you know what an

833
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:21,680
asshole you are just always just yeah the the same person really which I appreciate

834
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:27,440
yeah absolutely all right well that's we've got about a minute left in the zoom call so let's

835
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let's wrap that thank you very much for joining me Hamish as always thank you for having me

836
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:37,040
go very long I could sit here chatting with you all day but I appreciate you and um I'm sure we

837
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:45,120
will have you back in the future lovely well thanks Taylor well that's all for this week I hope

838
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:49,760
you enjoyed listening to it I certainly enjoyed having that conversation as is the typical case

839
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with me and Hamish the conversation went a little bit long but the good news is now that I'm on tape

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deck media I don't have any limits to their time limit um for my uploads like I did on buzz sprout

841
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so I hope you enjoyed it as always follow me on uh all the social media platforms at Taylor

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845
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to talking to you again but for right now ruddler out thank you so much for listening to 10 tiny

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joys I hope you enjoyed it and I hope you came away from it with a new found appreciation

847
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for some of the little things in life have a fantastic rest of the week whatever that looks like to you

848
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and I'm sure I'll be talking to you again very soon we'll see you next time

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